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Posted - 2016.04.08 05:54:47 -
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Fozzy. I'd Love to start running Titan boosts for incursion fleets in hisec. Just allow caps and supers into hisec and delete cynos. for serious. Me would love you long time.
But erm.... Without spider tanking non-triage carriers? Capital Incursions in lowsec & null only? You expect peeps to go and enjoy this with those crappy FAX hulls as much as they farm hisec sites? lolz Fozzy, you funny.
But I'm going to make a few points about this:
1) Incursion communities tend to favor Turret systems (instant high levels of dps) over missile / drone platform ships (The exceptions being sentry drones on myrms / domies). The missiles don't apply damage well enough to those fast moving rats, in addition to the range those rats can start engaging at compared to the low damage longer range missiles we get in eve presently. In this respect, the only capital ships that would be able to fill a role would be the Phoenix (or even the Leviathan), provided there is webbing support (rapiers, huggins, lokis, bhalgorns, ashimus Vigilances or Vindis) in the fleet assisting with the webbing actions to slow down rats enough (and target paint them enough) for the capital missiles to be of use.
Sentry drones are much more useful (fantastic in large numbers), but with most drone bay sizes being what they are, flying anything except myrms and battleships (read domis / rattlesnakes) that can field 3 or more, the dps loss (esp for small fleets) isn't worth the effort (and time) of putting up with the hassle of running the sites. Now if we could still have pre-citadel carriers with sentry drones? Yea sure... no problem.
2) Dreadnoughts.
With the old anti-structure / anti-capital guns, these will be useless (both in siege and out of siege) to hit frigate sized rats that aren't webbed or TPd et mass due in large part to the way guns work in eve (projectile size / target size / tracking / sig radius / transversals / av et al). The new HAW weapons will most likely work a whole lot better against sansha rats, but again, your limiting the engagement range to 25-45km and giving caps insane locking times because of low scan res values (the whole "why should a capital ship target stuff as fast as a frigate / cruiser / BS" argument that forms the basis of rifters online).
More over, your forcing the dreads to go into siege to use HAWs.... which implies no remote repairs (in incursion sites... have you ever run any of these yourselves? no logi when you need reps = deadmeat) and those rats will chew through capital EHP like there's no day after the day after tomorrow. So in my opinion, unless there is a fundamental shift in the way siege works (for example, by allowing remote repairs from FAXs in triage / siege - by adding a -ewar resistance value so to speak to a ship in siege and then gimping the reps received from FAX's in triage to say 50% effectiveness of what they get if not in siege) Dreads wont see allot of action in incursion sites. Sure - people use them to farm sleepers in wormholes and claim they farm 3 bil isk an hour. Sleepers are not sansha rats. a single dread with a local repper will be able to tank sleepers.... I'd love to see that dread last against sansha in a whole incursion site with its local tank and no support. Esp when the neuts start coming in and you run out of cap charges for your shiny new capital ASB / ARR.
So again (given the points above), I'd expect to see the phoenix used (if any dreads get usage at all).
3) Carriers / Super carriers.
With the new drones being what they are, I'd expect superiority fighters to do 90% of the work in incursion sites. But those drones being as weak and feeble as they are, and not having the ability to "assign them" or to "set their default behavior such as passive / aggressive etc), running incursion sites with the new fighter mechanism will be a painfull process. And why risk a super carrier at such an increased cost when a normal carrier can do the same job for a fraction of the price and still make you want to slash your wrists and goto hisec to farm in sub caps.
More over, no more spider tanking non triage carriers. Death sentence for whoever needs to play logi (FAX) if they get room agro (hint, sansha's like primarying logi ships that run more than 3 reps).
What I do see working is carriers supported by conventional incursion fleets and sub capital logi (that surprisingly, is good game design to allow fast moving non triage logi to spider tank based on the foundation (not ceiling) of limited hit-points.... /rant) sitting hundreds of kms off the entry points of sites, sniping rat waves with fighters and LR turrets.
Super carrier super weapons will mean next to nothing in the existing incursion sites.
4) Titans:
The new hack and slash / straight line & AoE doomsdays will most likely be a focus point for these sites. If those doomsdays take out rats in their path, then:
1) 3-4 titans will clear VG sites in about as long as it takes each titan to take the gate into the site and set off a doomsday.
2) 3-9 titans will clear AS sites in about as long as it takes each titan to take the gate into the site and set off a doomsday.
3) 3-12 titans will clear HQ sites in about as long as it takes each titan to take the gate into the site and set off a doomsday, then slowboat to the next accel gate and the subsequent rooms. /rinse & repeat.
If the DDs dont work, then we'll see tracking titans of both shield and armor varieties, using HAWs to clear rooms. Given the crappyness of FAX's that can't rep each other in triage (due to crap capital / super capital game design imo), I'd expect sub capital logi wings to escort these titans. This will definitely attract pvp attention et mass... so again, it will be less incursion farming, more pew pew / more risk / more people not bothering unless the entire constellation is locked down tighter than goonswarms hold on the northern portion of eve (derp).
5) FAXes.
Just allow them to...
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Asuka Solo
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Posted - 2016.04.08 06:04:06 -
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Part 2:
5) FAXes
Just allow them to remote rep other faxes in triage, and other caps in siege... then it might mean something.
Otherwise, lets talk about preventing remote assistance between sub capital logistics to make eve "truly interesting and fun"
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